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The story is linked below, but thanks for the comm, I think I'll find that useful :D

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Here's the story you're looking for.

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Oh man, it's even by someone I know, thank you :D

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So um...just some details for you on Steve McGarrett, if it helps at all:

Born: 1975, 1976.

Residence: O'ahu, Hawai'i

Military Service: Lt.Cmdr. in US Navy. Attended United States Naval Academy in Annapolis, MD. Holds a Bachelor's of Science.
Five years with Naval Intelligence. Six years with SEAL's, BUDS Class of 2003. Trained in tracking. SEAL team hunted Assassins.

Shoe Size: 11

Boy Scout.
Quarterback in High School

Sister: Mary Ann McGarrett lived in a rental in Kaimuki.

Mother: Died April 19th, 1992. Killed by car bomb planted by Koji Noshimuri, HPD at the behest of his brother Hiro Noshimuri.

Father: John McGarrett, Born March 15, 1942. Died September 20, 2010. Lt. in US Navy. Detective, HPD. 1992: Head of Organized Crime Unit.

Grandfather: Steven McGarrett. Died Dec 7, 1941 on the Battleship Arizona in WWII.

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Hah, so they did make John as young as possible to have a father who died at Pearl Harbour, thanks! :)

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Yup. :)

John was about 34 when Steve was born and Steve is his eldest. The elder Steve was probably in his early 20's when he died. I'm basing that on the history of an average age of a sailor being 19 during WWII and the average marrying age of a typical male during that time to be 21. The question I can't answer is, was the elder Steve an Officer or Enlisted. Both John and Steve the younger are Officers.

As for the pilot...Steve had a satellite phone. How Hesse (Go Spike!) got the phone number, I don't know. Is that standard for an Op? I don't know, but it at least is not a cell phone. I think that's why Hesse's brother told him to answer it. It was strange for the phone to be ringing.

As for both Sam and Steve being SEALs, I think that at some point they were going to have crossed paths. I agree with you that the community is not that big, but I also think it has more to do with whether Sam was enlisted or not. If Sam was an officer, then the chances are higher that they might know each other casually. If he was enlisted, Sam and Steve might know of each other from the community, but not on a personal level unless they were both in the same team. Steve is SEAL Team 5 which operates in the Pacific Theater.

I don't remember if Sam has ever mentioned which Team he was on, or which area he operated in. What languages does Sam speak? I don't remember off the top of my head and that would help narrow it down.

Found it, he retired as a Chief Petty Officer. Arabic and middle eastern culture. Wikipedia is our friend.*

Found some info...Okay, it is most likely that Sam was SEAL Team 6, otherwise known as Naval Warfare Development Group. (SEAL Team 6 no longer officially exists. It's the NSWDG, but since they are comprised of all SEALs, um, yeah, you do the math) They deal heavily with the Middle East and Terrorism. This fits with Sam's language skills and cultural knowledge. YES! Ha! It also fits with Sam and Steve probably crossing paths at one time or another due to Hesse's gun running and armament dealing enterprises. I don't know a lot about gun dealers, but I imagine that they don't stay in strictly assigned zones.

Steve has been chasing Hesse for about five years, so it makes sense that he and Sam would have crossed paths sometime in the last five years, assuming Sam left the SEALs shortly before Sep of 2009.

The other three SEAL Teams that Sam might have been stationed with are SEAL Team 2, 3 or 7. SEAL Team 3 is based out of the West Coast, serve the Southwest Asian Theater, of which Iraq is in. SEAL Team 7 had operations on the ground in Iraq but I don't know what their theater is other than they were deployed in Iraq for six months. SEAL Team 2 is based on the East Coast and serves the Atlantic Theater. This one is a *high* probability. This team has spent a lot of time on the ground in Iraq, Bosnia, and Somalia. The thing to listen for in the series is Guam. If Sam served with the Naval Warfare Unit One out of Guam, then he's SEAL Team 3 or 7. If Sam mentions Ops out of Virginia, then he's 2. If the series keeps strictly with the 'It's classified' theme, then he is most likely the NSWDG.

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Since all SEAL Teams are deployed World Wide and can (and have) operate in any theater due to need, it is their skills that determine which unit they are mostly likely with as that will be their main operating area. Sam's is Arabic. He's going to be with a unit that spends a lot of time in the Gulf.

So, after all that info dump...*heh, heh, heh*, the bottom line is this, area of operation will determine more if Sam and Steve have crossed paths than anything else. I'm leaning heavily toward 2 or 6 based on what I know about Sam himself. He's highly secretive (dude he's a SEAL *puddle*) about what he did, but he's also with NCIS Special Unit. So that makes me want to put him with 6, which is a Counter Terrorism Unit. There are approximately 2000 SEAL's world wide. Very tiny community.

Look for Sam in his BDU's in a non-combatant role and check for insignia. That will most likely give it away. That and the mention of Guam. *heh, heh*

As for fic of Sam and Callen, honestly, for me when watching the series, I don't see a relationship there other than really tight friends. To me, Kensi and Deeks have that spark that would make me want to write fic about them. Callen, on the other hand, I would love to write fic about him based on his past. He, as a character, intrigues me. Especially since he can speak Russian. *thud*

Edited Date: 2011-04-03 01:04 pm (UTC)

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Thanks for the info, I suspect that's more thought than the shows themselves put into the actualities of such matters :D

I love the way NCIS LA overtly parallels partnerships to relationships/marriages, and that Kensi/Deeks should aspire to have as awesome a marriage as Sam/G. And I see sparks, but they're more of an established pairing - first time stories would need to be set before the show started.

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So, uh, yeah. See, it's like this. There was this thought. And, um, it lead to others. Followed by others. Of course some of them needed research because there's nothing like tracking down a lead. Stalking it. Seeing where it goes. Making sure you have complete and well documented details. And then tackling it, wrestling it to the ground. It's, er, fun...in a really, really, really innocent way. *innocent look*

*nods head* Uh, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. It had absolutely nothing to do with the helicopter outside dropping darkly dressed men into the water who were dangling from a string. Nothing, I tell you. *burns all her notes*

You see nothing. That notebook is not there. *hides*

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Thanks for this really useful info! I've just gotten into the fandom, and started writing, so it's useful to have a summary. Just out of curiosity: how do you know Steve has a BSc? I don't recall him mentioning his degree.

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Anyone who graduates out of Annapolis graduates with a Bachelor's of Science.

The Navy has two types of Officers, Line Officers and Service Corp Officers. Line Officers are the only ones who can have command of combat/forward ready positions, such as SEAL units, ships, and combat divisions (Marines). Line officers are designated by stars. (Navy) Service Corp Officers are designated by oak leaves. (Navy) Steve does wear stars on his Dress Blues.

The US Naval Academy in Annapolis trains both Naval Officers and Marine Corp Officers. They are selected through a rigorous process that includes both Civilian and Political recommendations (you can't get in without a recommendation by a Senator, Congressman, the VP or the President. The only exception to this rule is children of Medal of Honor Award winners), an extensive physical fitness test, passing several academic tests, participation in extra curricular activities, and surviving pleb summer. Of the approximately 140 applicants excepted to each fresh man class, only about 100 survive pleb summer.

Once an applicant has met all of these requirements, they attend their freshman year and each subsequent year free of charge. If they do not maintain at least a 2.0 average for every year, participation in extra curricular activities every year, physical standards requirements and the military training/standards required for every year, they will be asked to leave and have approximately a $50k bill for each year they attended that is due to the US Government that must be paid back.

For this education, the students agree to serve the US Navy or Marines for a period of no less than eight years. Students may not apply and pay for their own education at the Military Institutes. The only way in is to serve their country. Again, the only exception to this rule are students from approved countries that will go on to serve in military units overseas, such as the UK. Of course, those countries will pay for the education.

Once in school, students will study in one of these disciplines:

Aerospace Engineering, Arabic, Chemistry, Chinese, Computer Engineering, Computer Science, Economics, Electrical Engineering, English, General Engineering, General Science, History, Information Technology, Mathematics, Mechanical Engineering, Naval Architecture, Ocean Engineering, Oceanography, Physics, Political Science, Quantitative Economics, or Systems Engineering.

The US Naval Academy is accredited by the Middle States and all students receive a core program of engineering, science, mathematics, humanities and social science for at least two years before specializing in a major. All students who graduate, graduate with a BS. *g* It's the only degree they give out. *snicker* So, Steve has a BS.

One interesting thing to note is that Steve wears a jump wings pin in both the 1st episode (total screw up on the medals, only two row, please! He's a SEAL!) and the 8th on his Dress Blues (Five rows, that's more like it.). Most SEALs wear a Surface Warfare, Air Warfare (uh, dude, Steve is a pilot), or Submarine Warfare in addition to his Trident.

I've been trying to get a good picture of the shadow box in his office, cause I think he has a Surface Warfare one in it along with his Trident, which makes more sense. It could easily be a Special Ops pin, the difference being whether or not it has swords. He should have Dive and EOD pins somewhere too, since he had to do that training as well before he ever went near BUDS.

The Special Ops pin has both the Dive and EOD symbols on it to show that the person went that training. *eg* The Warfare pins signify that a person is trained in every position on a Ship, Sub, or Aircraft. It's a huge deal in that that person can be shifted to any position when there is a need.

Rae

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Oh, and I forgot to mention....Annapolis only graduates Line Officers.

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Thank you so much, that's fascinating :) Are you in the military yourself, or is someone in your family serving?

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lol, myself, my hubby, our families. And if I can't ask someone, I know where to look for the info on the internet.

I was USNR-R. *g* I was in for eight years, enlisted Hospital Corp-0000. I served in Med Clinics, Hospital Units & CHB-8. I didn't get to go anywhere interesting while I was in and I didn't earn a special HM NEC. NEC 0000 are cross-trained in all medical disciplines; radiology, laboratory, wards, emergency, air med, nuke med, etc. They usually start to specialize after 2 years.

When I got out in 94, I was working on my E-6 quals so I could go IDC once I passed HM1 exams. I had my EMT A (National), EMT-Mast (PA), HAZMAT Cert, and CME's in Trauma Care (Gunshot wounds, explosions, your basic battle wounds) and Instructor Basic Training. I was assigned to the Public Affairs Officer with the clinic, Training Petty Officer at FH 20 in Kearny, NJ and Philly, and Leading Petty Officer (which means I managed, *snerk*)of the Med Unit with CHB-8. CHB-8 was my favorite and the only combat billet I held. It was a cargo unit that's since been reclassified in 1993 under the Navy Expeditionary Logistics Support Group. At that time, the CHB units typically held a medical personnel, supply personnel - cooks, sk's, transportation, SeaBees, and ordinance specialists.

It was an air/land/sea cargo unit that could be deployed to any area. Bare beach could suddenly became a port. Bare strip of land could suddenly become an airport or warehouse distribution center. All with heavy machinery/trucks, boots on the ground in a day. It was pretty cool. Roads where there weren't roads. Bridges where there weren't bridges. The SeaBees are the construction units of the Navy. The Med personnel were responsible for maintaining all medical requirements for each specific NEC attached to the units. Physical Fitness, Food Safety, Water Testing/Purification, Physicals (many NEC's had different standards), Basic Medical Care, etc. It was a fun job.

While following my hubby around, I served as the OMBUDSMAN for Naval Hospital Keflavik and Naval Hospital Guam. An OMBUDSMAN is usually a dependent who serves as the link between a unit's command and the unit's families. It's a first link/step to a family getting help for whatever they need, ie - help contacting a deployed spouse, emergencies, where to go when you need food stamps, find the DMV's, help a newly transfer family settle in, help a family transfer out. Mostly, it's just knowing where to find the information, who to talk to, and lots of hand holding.

Hubby was in for 20 years, USN Retired, enlisted, Hospital Corp-8404/8432. He served in both Iraq and Kuwait, on the USS Simpson (FFG), and with the Marines. His parents live right across the bay from Annapolis Naval Academy. His Dad was Navy, on both a destroyer (can't remember which one) and the USS Essex (during the Cuban Missile Crisis). His cousin is also in the Army, enlisted, E-8, but I don't know his MOS either. His Granddad was US Army, enlisted, WWII Vet, 101st Airborne (1944-1945), 501st PIR, Screaming Eagles, Purple Heart for Battle of Carentan, Bronze Star for D-Day, Battle of the Bulge and Holland, and a bunch of Campaign medals/ribbons. In 1947 he enlisted with 82nd Airborne and was hurt during a jump in a training mission. He's buried at Arlington.

My parents and brother are US Army, enlisted. Step Mom was an OR Tech, 4 years. Dad was BioMed, 22 years. Bro did something with petroleum, 22 years, haven't a clue as to his MOS and he couldn't explain much more than that. He's been to just about everywhere in the European/Middle Eastern areas. Step Granddad and Granddad were both US Army during WWII, Infantry during D-Day. Unfortunately, I don't know more about them than they received Purple Hearts during the war. The parental units didn't like to talk about it. They are both buried close to home.

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Ah...you might also want to know about body modifications that the actor has that the series has done nothing to hide or change:

At least left ear is pierced.
Tattoos on both upper arms and lower back (tramp stamp).

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What do you think of the new Criminal Minds show?

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Haven't watched the spin-off, I was very underwhelmed by the backdoor pilot episodes of Criminal Minds, and my sister's watched some and is very "meh" about it.

Have you seen any?

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Yeah, I DLed the first 7 eps and so far quite like it. It has Garcia from the first one, plus I like both Forrest Whitaker and Jeneane Garafalo. Even though I think I spelled both of their names incorrectly. The only thing that bothers me - their head office is a kind of cafe thing with no lighting at all, it's this dark orange wooden unlit room. Surely they'd need light to read their reports or something? Otherwise, I like it.

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Hmmm, I might check it out sometime, I do like those actors. Might be one to save for the off-season when there's not much else on :)

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Maximus is AWESOME! the horse!fight!

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He needs his own spin-off!

Did you manage to claim the front seat?

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I did! I was victorious in claiming it over the cat!

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BIPEDS RULE!

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Also, at some point I have to give you Bridalplasty because, although it is the worst show ever conceived, it has the best ending for a show I've ever seen.

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...I'm gonna need more booze ;)

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