Torchwood finale

[erilyn]

As soon as back-from-dead-Jack said he forgave Owen, all I could think was "Jack Harkness - like Jesus in a way".

I've had my ups and downs with Torchwood. I loved the potential, but often felt let down by the execution. But not tonight. I loved both episodes. (Though I must admit to hiding behind a pillow during the Jack/Jack dance - it was gorgeous, but dudes, it was in public in 1941!!! Couldn't they have had a beautiful moment somewhere more private? My embarrassment squick is so random and annoying at times.)

Do you know what's kept me going, even when I was annoyed by every other character? Jack. The character. The mystery of Jack's past, both recent and pre-Doctor. Pondering just how much angst the writers could pile onto one character without actually surgically grafting Duncan MacLeod and Angel to him.

I'm glad that a little of Jack's secrets are out in the open to the team. Ianto and Owen know a little, and both Gwen and Tosh each know stuff that no one else does (I'm assuming they didn't blab during the death-watch?). Still disliking Gwen a fair bit, so didn't like her getting to be the Prince Charming to wake Sleeping Jack. But I theorised that he woke up cause she hadn't showered in days (and Torchwood people, if it's been days and he isn't smelly, perhaps that's a sign that you don't need to be so quick to shove him in a box?)

The opening the rift didn't go where I expected it - I thought since the things that came through the rift were going back, that Jack might be in danger of being pulled back to somewhere. But I loved that Ianto was spot onto the truth with his quoting from doomsday works, hah! Hey, and he was right about the dancehall being a trap and Bilious being behind it. Why is Ianto the teaboy and not a full agent? I don't understand this workplace. And why can't he dress like he did in 1x12 (loved the mulberry!) all the time?

Gwen doesn't deserve Rhys, but I'm damn glad he's not dead. Also, why did I notice during tonight's episodes that Owen and Gwen only differ by one letter? I'm not sure I'm more bothered that I actually noted it as it were significant, or that I didn't consciously notice it before.

Are we going to get any explanation for how Jack and Ianto got from "Cyberwoman" to watch-related sexual shennagigans to Ianto saying Jack need's him (and Owen insulting Ianto by claiming he only dreams of shagging Jack) to sniffing of coats and kissing (which totally wasn't long enough)? Or is it a challenge from the writers to fandom?

The next time someone bitches about spoilerphobes and that we just need to 'get over it' if we are spoiled for something, I'm going to beat them to death with the final three minutes of "End of Days". This is pretty much a perfect example of why I love being unspoiled and how much it improves the viewing of shows for me.

I was already making audible noises of some sort when Jack said "the right kind of doctor". Then the hand started moving, and I got louder (and I was thinking "they're gonna leave us dangling for months with the idea of the Doctor being nearby, and not knowing what happens"), and then when we could hear the Tardis and the smile on Jack's face...I squealed (or maybe shrieked). Out loud. Possibly quite loudly. There may have been gasping. My mother, rather annoyed, called down from upstairs to inquire why there was screaming (but I wouldn't classify it as screaming, not really). I was almost teary-eyed when the episode ended. WHY DO WE HAVE TO WAIT SO LONG FOR NEW WHO OR TORCHWOOD? Between the Christmas special of Who and the ending of Torchwood - I NEED MORE NOW! And possibly a cigarette.

And somehow, I need to go to bed now and get some sleep. Work was pretty fucking busy today, and it's only gonna get worse. By next Monday, it'll seriously qualify as insane. So many phonecalls...

Comments

[i-naiad.livejournal.com]

You should have heard the squealing and seen the flailing in our lounge room during both episodes. Lennie actually hid behind the couch.

I had no idea what was coming at the end and it rocked my world. Awesome.

[erilyn.livejournal.com]

It was the best ending possible! Today, I love the show, which is a change from my mixed feelings at some points during the season ;)

I can't think of another show recently that got such a vocal response from me.

[cardalia.livejournal.com]

Hey, I was looking forward to your thoughts because I have no chance of coherently writing down my own right now! I agree with the Torchwood execution having its ups and downs, even in these two episodes. I was right there with you hiding from the kiss in 1941. What the hell is the real Jack Harkness going to say to everyone over there? "Hi. Um. Pretend you didn't see that, okay? Okay." (But on the other hand: \o/, he got kissed!)

Re secrets: so everyone and their dog knows about Torchwood, apparently. Whats up with that? But I'm glad Jack's veil of secrets was lifted a little. I'm really curious as to what the others are going to think about it once they realise he's gone now?

I'm glad Rhys is alive, too, but I maybe wanted a little more repercussions to all that recklessness. But apparently Jack's a forgiving kind of guy. As for Jack/Ianto, I'm as confused as you are (and craving good fic that explains it all). I'm going to have to rewatch some scenes now!

But, most importantly: OMG, THE DOCTOR! WHY MUST THE WAIT BE SO LONG?

[nopseud]

What the hell is the real Jack Harkness going to say to everyone over there? "Hi. Um. Pretend you didn't see that, okay? Okay."

Well, on the bright side, he isn't going to live long enough to be arrested or court-martialled.

Or, hey, maybe he'll be put on sick-leave due to obvious insanity, and Jack actually just saved his life. Who knows?

Re secrets: so everyone and their dog knows about Torchwood, apparently. Whats up with that?

I think all the other alien-aware types in the world had their attention directed fairly sharply towards Torchwood during the Cybermen/Darlek invasion. Torchwood itself seems to have been fairly shattered by that.

[cardalia.livejournal.com]

Well, on the bright side, he isn't going to live long enough to be arrested or court-martialled.

Heh, there's always that. *g*

I think all the other alien-aware types in the world had their attention directed fairly sharply towards Torchwood during the Cybermen/Dalek invasion.

So it's a matter of my less than adequate Who-watching, then. That explains it. Would you mind telling me what the relevant Who episodes are? I watched the Ecclestone season on tv so I might have missed one or two along the way.

[nopseud]

It was the last two episodes of the Tennant series. Torchwood London managed to open a rift in space and time into another dimension, and allowed several million Cybermen through (they were trying to open the rift, the Cybermen were something of a surprise). As a result, Torchwood London was pretty much wiped out. Ianto's girlfriend was cybered during that attack.

[cardalia.livejournal.com]

Thanks! I'll have to download the Tennant season somewhere and see for myself.

[erilyn.livejournal.com]

Check my userinfo - there's a community that would be very useful to you ;)

[cardalia.livejournal.com]

I see what you mean, thanks. ;-)

[erilyn.livejournal.com]

I really hope we hear more about the status of Torchwood 1 during the next Who or Torchwood series. Also, I want to see UNIT and not just hear about it ;)

[erilyn.livejournal.com]

Does anyone know when the next Who series is due to air? I know Torchwood won't be until the end of the year (argh!) but I need new Who-verse now! *g*

There has to be consequences for Gwen's actions sometime - I couldn't believe she dosed Rhys with Retcon after telling him she's cheated.

I wonder if there will be repercussions for Jack for going with the Doctor -- after all, he's not exactly the most popular person with Torchwood...

[cardalia.livejournal.com]

I'm sort of a new Who fan with loads of episodes unwatched so I don't know about the new season at all. But yes, new Doctor with Jack and then back to Torchwood shenanigans!

And yes, there needs to be some sort of follow-up here. I like Rhys and Gwen most days but they're having a completely different relationship with each other. Rhys thinks they're together and Gwen has a demanding job and Gwen loves Rhys and what? Also needs to sleep with Owen to feel - I don't really know what she's doing with him. And then confesses and drugs her boyfriend! Hoo, boy. She's kind of messed up.

And I don't mind flawed characters. They're a lot more interesting than people who always do everything right but the writers of the show need to catch some of the plotlines they throw in the air sometimes. Because they've done that already with some things, yes? (Ianto shooting Owen) And it was fun to see what kind of normally repressed things bubbled up in all that tenseness in the end. They were really sniping at each other there. ;-)

[erilyn.livejournal.com]

I was so glad Jack got to have a go at them when they turned on him - both Gwen and Ianto have thrown some pretty horrible things at him during the show, and Jack's just taken it.

[iibnf.livejournal.com]

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[erilyn.livejournal.com]

Oooooh! Thank you indeed! :)

[(Anonymous)]

The Jack/Ianto moments make sense during the whole series. There's a lot of little moments to describe it.

It comes down, mainly Ianto gravitating to Jack because of their inherent loneliness.

Even on the Torchwood site, there's little hints of it.

[erilyn.livejournal.com]

There have been a lot of hints, but for me, the order and pacing has been a bit weird, especially the (otherwise brilliant) watch moment. Also, while I love secondary canon, we shouldn't have to rely on it :)

[riadsala.livejournal.com]

Oh my goodness yes. I was totally completely unspoiled and those tardis noises literally stopped my breath. So glad I wasn't spoiled.

I also agree with a lot of the other stuff you said re Gwen and Jack and Ianto wearing mulberry. I very much liked the vest in 1x13 though, too. They totally made up for a lot of mediocrity with these two episodes.

[erilyn.livejournal.com]

Jack's smile! If viewers weren't flipping out over the ending, they must be dead inside ;)

The show is so up-and-down, it's rather frustrating. But the last two were very good indeed.

[erilyn.livejournal.com]

After watching, I couldn't get to sleep for a while, even after spending some time writing this post and reading a few other comments on the episode too :)

Most perfect ending of the season possible! I'm still a grinning fool when I think about it.

[nic]

Most perfect ending of the season possible!

Totally agreed!

[erilyn.livejournal.com]

His smile! I just wanna swoon when I think about it - but then I remember how long we have to wait for more! ;)

[lydia-petze.livejournal.com]

The next time someone bitches about spoilerphobes and that we just need to 'get over it' if we are spoiled for something, I'm going to beat them to death with the final three minutes of "End of Days". This is pretty much a perfect example of why I love being unspoiled and how much it improves the viewing of shows for me.


I love you. Marry me.

[erilyn.livejournal.com]

But who will we get to sing at the wedding - U2 or Backstreet?

::pictures them performing together::

::dies::

[lydia-petze.livejournal.com]

Oh god.

You and me getting married and that lot trying to out-gay one another. We'll have to paint the church in a rainbow.

[erilyn.livejournal.com]

And Bono is boyband-sized (ie pocket-sized), and Larry's not much bigger, right? They'll blend together so nicely.

We are making them do covers, like a good wedding band, right?

[lydia-petze.livejournal.com]

Edge is rather wee as well - Adam's going to look like a stork :-)

Oooh, yeah. I want them to do a big jam of 500 Miles. Total wedding song.

[erilyn.livejournal.com]

It's alright, he can stand next to Nick (six foot plus, which now with Kevin gone, makes the group Nick and the Munchkins).

I'm thinking Love Shack might have to get busted out too.

[lydia-petze.livejournal.com]

Ohhh god, No. TOO MUCH FUN.